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April 21
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April 21, 2025
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April 20
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April 20, 2025
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Hugo Calderano
[edit]Blurb: In table tennis, Brazilian player Hugo Calderano (pictured) wins the Table Tennis World Cup men's singles, becoming the first athlete from the Americas to win the competition. (Post)
News source(s): ITTF
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Unprecedented title, "breaking the Chinese dominance". Article in good conditions. ArionStar (talk) 23:29, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Please provide references for the section "Clubs".
April 19
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April 19, 2025
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Supreme Court order on deportations
[edit]Blurb: The United States Supreme Court blocks the Trump administration's deportation of Venezuelan men under the Alien Enemies Act in a 1:00 a.m. order. (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:
- Created and nominated by voorts (talk · give credit)
voorts (talk/contributions) 18:34, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - It doesn't seem worthy of being ITN candidate because its just a case. Also Trump deported many more migrants already and so this group of migrants being blocked doesn't really make anything radical or new. DotesConks (talk) 18:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- This
just a case
has attained significant worldwide media coverage and commentary because of the unusual nature of the order. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:25, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- This
- Oppose - As long as I have been alive, the United States has been one of several countries with a reputation for deporting people for any reason or no reason at all. I see no change in that long-standing policy under the Trump administration, and this judicial ruling falls a long way short of any change. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:27, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Why does it need to change policy to be enough for ITN? The media and commenters have been describing this as a significant separation of powers confrontation that represents a significant rebuke to Trump's AEA invocation from the Court. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This is part of a far larger story related to the possible constitutional crisis on how the Trump admin has been handling deportations and its disregards for the courts, though we're still not yet at a point that it has tipped beyond a threshold. That larger story is most likely what will be what is more appropriate for ITN to post than one of multiple court orders that have been placed about this. Masem (t) 20:10, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- We don't have crystal balls and what may or may not happen should not play a role in determination. Focusing on the merits of the story is what alone should be determined rather than our own speculation. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:31, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- What I'm saying is that this specific story is an element of a much larger story. This element alone is not worth posting to ITN (neither a news nor a trump ticker), but the larger story, if it develops in a way many journalists, legal scholars, and others are concerned with, would likely be one of those things we should post, just like with the tariffs. Its also possible this whole situation may resolve without any issues (in which case we'd not post). We're not blind to what's happening in the US Govt and know its making news but we should wait for something that is really significant to happen, representing a point of no return or similar line, to be what we post to ITN, not just a solitary development that gets wide coverage. Masem (t) 21:43, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- We don't have crystal balls and what may or may not happen should not play a role in determination. Focusing on the merits of the story is what alone should be determined rather than our own speculation. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:31, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: just internal US politics Cambalachero (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait: since it's just an injunction and the case is still pending. The actual case is more news worthy. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:25, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose USA’s checks and balances system doing its job. Not enough notable for ITN. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as it is just a preliminary injunction and the case is still pending. Natg 19 (talk) 22:56, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:NTRUMP and the fact that this particular legal wrangle is just starting with no evidence so far showing this is in any way any more significant than all the other recent legal and political turmoil in the US. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:46, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: George McMillan (politician)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AL.com
Credits:
- Nominated by Yoblyblob (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article has some length, could be a little longer but no citation issues. Former Lt. Gov of Alabama Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:57, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, it is a stub. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN now. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:28, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Well, if it's not a stub any longer, you should remove the stub tag, MtPenguinMonster. However, that looks like a stub to me! Schwede66 01:22, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN now. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:28, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Still far too thin. Is it really being suggested this is the sort of article which deserves to be highlighted on the front page? 3142 (talk) 01:26, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Russo-Ukraine ceasefire
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Russia announces a ceasefire with Ukraine in prison exchange deal. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-putin-declares-unilateral-easter-ceasefire-ukraine-2025-04-19/
Credits:
- Nominated by DotesConks (talk · give credit)
- Oppose According to the cited source it's meant to last only for this weekend, Ukraine has already rejected it, and Russia had made similar unilateral ceasefire declarations for this conflict in the past. While a well-intentioned nomination, it's clear that this ceasefire declaration won't have much long-term ramifications. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 16:47, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Patagonia. — EF5 17:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Mount Patagonia I admit that I made this nomination just by looking at the headlines, but given Trump's pressure on Russia I really thought it would be a ceasefire. Just another case of "OMG LOOK HERE" DotesConks (talk) 16:56, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose and close per Mount Patagonia. Departure– (talk) 18:05, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
April 18
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April 18, 2025
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RD: Stina Oscarson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
BabbaQ (talk) 09:39, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Solid article. No issues. Grimes2 (talk) 18:48, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Does reference #2 confirm her date of birth? Reference #1 has the year only. Schwede66 01:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Clodagh Rodgers
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ, Irish Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:65E2:9D15:F64E:9D6 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ErktheBerserker (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Northern Irish singer who represented the United Kingdom at the Eurovision Song Contest. 240F:7A:6253:1:65E2:9D15:F64E:9D6 (talk) 07:23, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support A distinctive and famous name which will work well in RD. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:13, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - needs plenty of additional sourcing.BabbaQ (talk) 15:40, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Nikola Pokrivač
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, Croatia Week
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C99E:58BC:C5A1:6E9C (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Croatian international professional footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:C99E:58BC:C5A1:6E9C (talk) 12:51, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Jennifer Toth
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by CAWylie (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American journalist. Death reported 18 April. Thriley (talk) 03:15, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
April 17
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(Posted) RD: Joseph Thompson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Abcmaxx (talk) 12:56, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Well cited article. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Well-done article. Sad tale. Kicking222 (talk) 15:04, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: consensus seems to be that this can be posted now. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:19, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Could someone please provide a source for the date of birth that works, please? Or an archive URL? Schwede66 14:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Found dob in Rochdale Times. I hope, that's ok. Grimes2 (talk) 19:16, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 01:09, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Found dob in Rochdale Times. I hope, that's ok. Grimes2 (talk) 19:16, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Could someone please provide a source for the date of birth that works, please? Or an archive URL? Schwede66 14:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Fatma Hassona
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Euro News
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Οἶδα (talk · give credit) and Afonso Dimas Martins (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Palestinian photojournalist. The subject of the upcoming film Put Your Soul on Your Hand and Walk. Thriley (talk) 04:26, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
Oppose Too stuby.Gotitbro (talk) 05:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)- Looks fine now. Support. Gotitbro (talk) 06:27, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is a stub. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:16, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - on the shorter side. But start class now. Sourced.BabbaQ (talk) 09:00, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose More information needed in the article. Currently too stubby. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:59, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support, well sourced, long enough for a RD. Alexcalamaro (talk) 07:53, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support looks long enough now Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:52, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Unreferenced DoB. Schwede66 01:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) K2-18b likely teeming with microbial life
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Blurb: Spectroscopic signatures of dimethyl sulphide and dimethyl disulphide detected on the exoplanet K2-18b by the James Webb Space Telescope can with current scientific knowledge, only be explained by the presence of microbial life (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Astrophyshical Journal Letters (peer review source)
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Needs work The discovery is interesting and in the news but life is not the only explanation on offer. The BBC source says, "Other research groups have put forward alternative, lifeless, explanations for the data obtained from K2-18b ... which highlights the strong scientific debate surrounding K2-18b." This is science in action, testing hypotheses against the data and continuing to refine the results. So, the blurb needs to convey the current state of the debate rather than presenting one side uncritically. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:25, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The phrase "only be explained by the presence of microbial life" is contradicted within the article per: "planetary scientist Sarah Hörst pointed to lab experiments that show DMS can be produced without life." While it deepens our understanding of this exoplanet and interesting in a vacuum, I feel like it's premature to say whether it is caused by microbial life or not. The uncertainties make me question whether it would be blurb-worthy, even NASA is cautious regarding the matter. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose. Professional astronomer here. This team has claimed the same result before, which was widely criticised by other astronomers. The detection was discredited and the interpretation as a biosignature was disputed by most researchers working in the field. Now the team is claiming to detect the same molecule by a different method, which is useful, but it's still a marginal detection and the interpretation is still flawed. There is no evidence that this is related to life - DMS can be produced by abiotic processes. The press release and resulting coverage are ridiculously overblown. Modest Genius talk 10:19, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose an abundance of caution is needed here - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all that - and there have been similar claims in the past. I'm reminded most directly of those claims of Venusian bio signatures of a few years ago, now generally regarded as debunked. Slightly more generally we posted the "discovery" of planet nine perhaps a decade ago, which looks a little premature with hindsight as it has still not been found. 3142 (talk) 11:44, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The peer reviewed paper lists both of these as "possible biosignature" but as others have pointed out there's non-biological sources for these too and the paper doesn't go anywhere as far to claim life. Finding these traces are not uncommon from what I understand so this is not as much of a breakthrough as suggested by blurb. Even the BBC article keeps far low key as to the significance here. Masem (t) 12:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A very poor and clearly unscientific nomination: life likely isn't the explanation; the highly speculative superhabitable world is presented as fact, the rest of the nominating comment is just as bit imaginative and fabulous. With this and the "dire wolf" nomination, makes one wonder what has happened to science communication. Gotitbro (talk) 12:02, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per all opposes above me Shaneapickle (talk) 13:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, this doesn't mean that there's life there, and we should wait the 1-2 years for confirmation if there's life. Per many above, this does not indicate life and researchers have been skeptical about this. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Maybe sorta possibly a finding that may turn out to be something isn't breaking news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Expo 2025
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Blurb: Expo 2025 is opened in Osaka, Japan. (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo
Credits:
- Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Needs work The lead still uses the future tense – "will be held" – and does not provide an adequate summary of the rest of the article. The Guardian reports that "The pavilions – and Fujimoto’s “sustainable” edifice – will be dismantled later this year to make way for Japan’s first casino." but the article does not include this discouraging fact. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Not ITNR I'm not seeing anything on the ITNR list to suggest this trade show, much less any trade show, is ITNR. Masem (t) 12:03, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- World's fair (aka Expo <year>) was on ITNR for many years, but was removed in 2021. Modest Genius talk 13:57, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a bi-annual event that happens every 2 years and plus I am opposing this per @Masem this also falls under WP:NOTNEWS Shaneapickle (talk) 13:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- The main world's fair is once per 5 years but world's fairs aren't as big as they used to be (first one (1851 World's Fair) to at least 1964-5 inclusive) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- There was Expo 2023 in Argentina and there is scheduled to be an Expo 2027 in Belgrade, Serbia. It seems de facto biannual to me. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 18:40, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- World's fair#Types says the ones between the 5 year ones have scale/cost restrictions like 25 hectares+0.1 hectares per country. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:22, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- There was Expo 2023 in Argentina and there is scheduled to be an Expo 2027 in Belgrade, Serbia. It seems de facto biannual to me. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 18:40, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- The main world's fair is once per 5 years but world's fairs aren't as big as they used to be (first one (1851 World's Fair) to at least 1964-5 inclusive) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. Not seeing much front-page or in-depth coverage in the most prominent sources, which implies to me that it is a relatively standard biannual event with little enduring notability or impact. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 18:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is a routine event with little coverage and no major announcements or distinctions. The article is all minor details, with no obvious impact. I can't see anything special about it that might merit posting on ITN. Modest Genius talk 19:15, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per the above; the claim that this is part of a coherent series going back to the 1851 Great Exhibition seems ahistorical to me. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:38, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's what the Bureau International des Expositions says. They just lost importance over time. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see how an organisation founded in 1928, with no predecessor founded earlier than 1902, can say definitively that an event in 1851 was part of the series it oversees. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:12, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - I don't see how this is news. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 02:05, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
April 16
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RD: Francis Davis
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American jazz critic. Death reported 16 April. Thriley (talk) 18:04, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article's quality and sourcing look good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:01, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- The short list of bullet-points after the prose is largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:19, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Aaron Boupendza
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News, CBS Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C153:5B:90E6:3807 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Narcis90 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former member of the Gabon national football team. 240F:7A:6253:1:C153:5B:90E6:3807 (talk) 14:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Boupendza was a notable footballer and was one of the best Gabonese footballers when he was alive.
- Djprasadian (talk) 14:49, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- "Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD." Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:03, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article's quality is good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Any prose on his career after signing with Rapid București? He signed for two years, but the stats table after the prose indicates that he left after only 9 games in Romania and played in China instead. What happened? Please complete the coverage of his sports career in this wikibio. --PFHLai (talk) 17:03, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi User:PFHLai, while I haven't looked into this specific case, it's very common for footballers to move to another team without completing a contract. This is why clubs pay transfer fees, as compensation. The second most likely event is "mutual agreement" to end a contract: the club removes the white elephant of paying wages to a player who isn't playing, and the player becomes free to move to pastures new. This is the kind of page I'd usually jump into but I'm without PC for referencing right now. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:44, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking into this, @Unknown Temptation. The coverage cannot just abruptly end with him signing a contract, with the stats table indicating that he played after signing, and then moved elsewhere and played more. This nom is not expiring yet. There is still lots of time (a few days!) to add prose to the wikibio before this nom scrolls off this page. No rush. --PFHLai (talk) 17:53, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi User:PFHLai, while I haven't looked into this specific case, it's very common for footballers to move to another team without completing a contract. This is why clubs pay transfer fees, as compensation. The second most likely event is "mutual agreement" to end a contract: the club removes the white elephant of paying wages to a player who isn't playing, and the player becomes free to move to pastures new. This is the kind of page I'd usually jump into but I'm without PC for referencing right now. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:44, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) UK Supreme Court Ruling
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Blurb: In the United Kingdom, the Supreme Court rules that within the Equality Act 2010, sex is biological. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The UK Supreme Court rules that within the Equality Act 2010, the terms "man", "woman", and "sex" refer to biological sex.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
- Needs work This seems quite a significant precedent but some work is needed. In particular, the context for this is the UK's Equality Act 2010 and the blurb should specify this. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:51, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Blurb amended per your suggestion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as more complicated than a blurb can adequately cover. nableezy - 22:00, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose only applies to specific parts (differential between "sex" and "gender") of a single UK-only law (the Equality Act). Transgender people possessing a gender recognition certificate are still legally recognised as such in the UK. Black Kite (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure about that. I've read some sources stating that the certificates are now invalid within the framework of that particular law. I suspect that this is going to create a lot of fallout and will take time to sort out. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- The UK minister this morning said clearly "Rights remain enshrined in the Equality Act. There are protected characteristics for trans people under the gender recognition part of the Equality Act" and the ECHR appears to agree with that. Black Kite (talk) 08:47, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Seems significant to me. However, article is still a stub and needs to be improved before it can be posted. Natg 19 (talk) 22:14, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The impact of this ruling is being laughably overplayed by both sides. In truth, the announced cuts to disability/sickness benefits in the UK are going to be far more impactful than this.2A00:23C7:4F92:4E01:58BD:287E:5BBE:BAB2 (talk) 10:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Wasn't there a similar case in Australia recently that reached the opposite conclusion? Which countries ruling on sex and gender meet ITN criteria, and which don't, given as they're all internal issues? From the little I've read, it appears that transgender people retain legal protections against harassment, violence, etc apart from the definition of a woman. Agree with above that activists on both sides are sensationalising this case. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:54, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment The anti-trans assault under Trump 2.0 and the ever-expanding 2020s anti-LGBTQ movement in the United States appear much more important than this sad but perhaps ultimately [and hopefully] not that of a significant ruling. Gotitbro (talk) 13:04, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- This page is to discuss whether a story fits the criteria for inclusion for ITN, not to give our own opinions on the issues like a forum. Our own views and analysis are completely irrelevant. Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia discussion pages (including ITN) have always been somewhat informal. I think it was laid out pretty well why, in the grander scheme of the recent rollback of LGBTQ rights, this isn't noteworthy; a small comment in parenthesis doesn't change that. Gotitbro (talk) 15:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- This page is to discuss whether a story fits the criteria for inclusion for ITN, not to give our own opinions on the issues like a forum. Our own views and analysis are completely irrelevant. Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
Support blurb "Even though all the sources are covering this, my personal opinion is that this is not a big deal and the reaction is overblown" is not a policy-based rationale and !votes on that basis should not be considered in the consensus assessment. The ruling has a global impact on the future of trans rights jurisprudence and is being widely covered in global reliable sources, because its undercurrent is a popular culture war (spearheaded by figures like JK Rowling) that spans borders. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 18:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Using common sense to look past hype and hyberbole of the mainstream press needs to be done. It's sane reason we rejected the dire wolf nom, as mist of the reliable press were over exaggerating what happened (though at least there it was possible to point to other RSes that spoke to this problem) Masem (t) 20:27, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- We don't have crystal balls and do not know what if any impact this ruling will have for the UK or elsewhere. We should base things on objective principles - the actual case rather than speculating on any future events. ITN shouldn't be a place for speculation, hyperbole, and attention grabbing headlines. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Black Kite. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:40, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Harizotoh9 (talk) 22:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Colossal squid
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: A colossal squid is filmed in its natural environment for the first time by ROV SuBastian. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, National Geographic, NYT, Science, Schmidt Ocean
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by IC1101-Capinatator (talk · give credit) and Sawitontwitter (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- (Probably took that long for the poor tiny scuba guy to swim away) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Really? No idea why people think these "science" hooks will ever go anywhere, but strong oppose as insignificant and lacking an article (I am not saying one should be made, though). — EF5 12:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Deffo mate. Science is for pansies. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Martinevans123, well, I'm not saying science is bad, it's just these stupid vanity "science" hooks. See also the "celebrities get blasted into space for a few minutes" nom below. — EF5 12:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's not science, that's slebs! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Martinevans123, well, I'm not saying science is bad, it's just these stupid vanity "science" hooks. See also the "celebrities get blasted into space for a few minutes" nom below. — EF5 12:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Deffo mate. Science is for pansies. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Really? No idea why people think these "science" hooks will ever go anywhere, but strong oppose as insignificant and lacking an article (I am not saying one should be made, though). — EF5 12:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose No article of its own and only two sentences in the linked page. That's not enough for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose It's just a baby Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose and consider WP:SNOW closing, this doesn't have enough content and also happened in March. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 00:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- The press release was on April 15 so it isn't automatically stale. Departure– (talk) 01:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose on quality, support on notability; the biggest cephalopod and what may be one of the most elusive creatures left in the seas has been seen alive and caught on camera for the world to see in the flesh, in what took, in my opinion, far too long. I agree a few more sentences are needed and there's a cn tag (added by me to an unsourced claim), but in my eyes this is the sort of ITN spot we don't see nearly enough of, and what may just be a definitive moment in deep-sea exploration and cephalopod studies. Departure– (talk) 01:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment just do a quick Youtube search, I find this video (orginally from 2008). Haers6120 (talk) 03:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- "filmed in its natural environment for the first time". -- ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 04:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. While the blurb sounds exciting, this turns out to be video of a 30cm hatchling, which is inferred to be a member of the same species based on fin & tentacle morphology alone. The colouration is very different. How do we know this isn't a new species that doesn't grow as large? Even if the species identification is correct, it's not as interesting as filming an adult - which grow to over 10m long. Readers of the proposed blurb will be very unimpressed to find out that this 'colossal' animal is the size of a large sandwich. A live specimen of an adult was captured in 2007, though died soon after - we even have an image of it alive in our article File:Colossal squid caught in February 2007.jpg. So while filming a juvenile is of interest to scientists, I don't think it's important enough for ITN. Modest Genius talk 10:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Personally I'd stick to something with less tentacles. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:35, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, regrettably, as per Modest Genius above. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:36, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support. The colossal squid is currently a subject in the news and it resulted in the addition of cited information to this article. If the concern is that it's not an adult, then add that to the blurb. I would oppose if the bold link was to a standalone article about the filming itself. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:27, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Much ado about nothing. — Amakuru (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. (This is the second time recently that Andrew has nominated a 'Colossal' animal story that turned out not to be, although for different reasons.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oh no, not another one. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:34, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Nora Aunor
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABS-CBN News
Credits:
- Nominated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: A National Artist has passed away. HurricaneEdgar 15:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: some claims in the article are tagged as being unsourced. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle, oppose on quality Huge loss for the Philippines (most especially its entertainment industry), and this was just extra tragic as her death closely followed Pilita Corrales' demise. However, three cn tags remain, but once those issues get resolved, I think Nora's article would be ready to be posted for RD. I honestly would have wanted this to be blurbed but remembering the chaos that ensued after Gloria Romero's passing was blurbed, I am not pushing for that yet (although I wouldn't be surprised if someone else would do so, I mean, Aunor was a National Artist after all). Vida0007 (talk) 02:02, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- FWIW, most Filipinos would agree that Aunor was a more consequential actor than Romero, aside from the fact Aunor had a flourishing singing career ar first. If Romero was blurbed, moreso should Aunor. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:48, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle, oppose on quality The article is riddled with WP:FANCRUFT. Borgenland (talk) 03:58, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Sources also need to be cleaned up first, particularly the sheer number of blogs and other unreliable sources. As for notability there appears to be outside sourcing [2]. Borgenland (talk) 05:57, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support 112.204.165.24 (talk) 18:56, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
Women’s World Chess Championship
[edit]Blurb: Ju Wenjun (pictured) wins her 5th Women's World Chess Championship title by defeating Tan Zhongyi. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ju Wenjun (pictured) defeats Tan Zhongyi to retain the Women's World Chess Championship.
News source(s): CNN Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Xrisk (talk · give credit)
- Created by PatGallacher (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Banedon (talk · give credit), SpyroeBM (talk · give credit) and Double sharp (talk · give credit)
Xrisk (talk) 07:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I overhauled the blurb a bit. Left guide (talk) 08:20, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Interesting that the general World Chess Championship (last held 2024 and next in 2026) is ITNR, but the Women's WCC is not. This feels like it should be ITNR per how we have handled such gender-specific events. Masem (t) 12:07, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support, and I likewise think it should be ITNR. Double sharp (talk) 12:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Conditional support -- I've added one citation needed tag for the claim that it's the first time a player won four consecutive games since 1958, but if that's cleared up, count me as support. Agree that it should be ITNR. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 14:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support now (fixed) ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 14:58, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - International competition and worthy for inclusion. CN needs a better source. Adding chess com source as a provisional source. Likely something in newspapers archives. Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:36, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support, also @Malvoliox: The statement you added CN tag was removed (and made an invisible comment ) because it seemed undue if no source is mentioning it. Only mention was an unreliable X.com post attached to a chess.com page (wp:or). --ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 14:52, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm unsure about this one. I'm sympathetic to the gender balance issue here, but it's not as clear-cut as in other sports. As a non-physical sport, most chess tournaments are open to any gender, including the world championship. Women primarily participate in open chess tournaments; women-only events are unusual. The situation is very unlike physical sports that have separate men's and women's competitions at all levels. However there hasn't been a woman in the top 10 players by ranking since Judit Polgar two decades ago, and none has won the world championship. The world championship last year received widespread media interest, high viewership, and a large prize fund; this women-only version did not, at least outside China. The article has decent prose about each game, but otherwise lacks information (compare to World Chess Championship 2024). So I think overall I'm neutral about posting this, and opposed to listing it on ITNR at this stage - that can be considered if this event gets posted multiple times in a row. Modest Genius talk 15:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- It's unclear why, but males have outperformed women in chess, thus they have decided there is a need for female exclusive tournaments and rankings. The nature of this debate is outside the scope of this page and determining whether something is worthy of inclusion of ITN. However, this tournament is a major world-wide tournament, with players all over the world, with strong international coverage, and major prize money which is enough to make it qualify for ITN. Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- I've added an altblurb that matches the phrasing we used for the open event last year. Modest Genius talk 15:25, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- I had misattributed the article creator. Fixed and added significant updaters. (Aside: I don’t know what the etiquette for attributing updaters is; I’ve picked the top 3 by added bytes from https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship_2025#tool-authorship) Xrisk (talk) 03:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose only one game has moves and there's also no aftermath section. Honestly the fact that this has gotten so many supports shows how arbitrary quality is. Banedon (talk) 04:29, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Banedon: I have added moves for all the games. (The chess.com pages have the moves, so I guess the citations to them in the text just before the moves are valid.) Double sharp (talk) 06:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Is citing text with a footnote before some chess "standard" (e.g. World Chess Championship 2024)? Per WP:CITE, it's usually after the related text:
—Bagumba (talk) 07:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)An inline citation means any citation added close to the material it supports, for example after the sentence or paragraph, normally in the form of a footnote.
- I figured that if it's what the open championship pages do, then it should be fine to do the same here. Double sharp (talk) 09:04, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Is citing text with a footnote before some chess "standard" (e.g. World Chess Championship 2024)? Per WP:CITE, it's usually after the related text:
- @Banedon: I have added moves for all the games. (The chess.com pages have the moves, so I guess the citations to them in the text just before the moves are valid.) Double sharp (talk) 06:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support in theory. However some of the game descriptions seem a bit informal, e.g. game 3 "Tan eventually cracked on move 60" - is that normal for chess reporting? It seems like it should be in a "reception" or "commentary" section. I'm not a chess player, though. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 04:39, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
April 15
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(Needs reviewers) RD: Werner Thissen
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Katholisch
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German Catholic archbishop of Hamburg, before for the longer time auxiliary bishop of Münster, not without making mistakes. The article consisted practically only of infobox. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Wink Martindale
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:
- Nominated by Rawmustard (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Longtime radio personality and TV game show host. Several citations in the body are needed. rawmustard (talk) 02:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Several uncited statements exist throughout the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 10:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support do not see any real concerns including on referencing. It wouldn't get through FAC but that is not what is being discussed. 3142 (talk) 02:09, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
April 14
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RD: Elaine Wynn
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/business/elaine-wynn-dead.html
Credits:
- Nominated by QueensanditsCrazy (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 23:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Cofounder of Wynn Resorts, a big hotel property in Las Vegas, with her husband. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 23:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - looks good but needs additional sources.BabbaQ (talk) 08:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Peter Seiffert
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German tenor who sang Wagner roles around the (opera) world with a bright agile voice which was seen as a sensation in 1990 in Berlin. The article was poor, with only a tabloid about his death. There are now good references in German. The English ones rely pretty much on Wikipedia as it was. Deutsche Oper Berlin is decent in English, but would not be regarded as independent by some. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Nice article and well sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 15:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Good quality article. Yakikaki (talk) 20:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 04:00, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
Imprisonment of Ollanta Humala
[edit]Blurb: Former president of Peru Ollanta Humala and his wife Nadine Heredia (both pictured) are sentenced to 15 years in prison for laundering funds from Brazilian company Odebrecht. (Post)
News source(s): (AP) (BBC News)
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
ArionStar (talk) 23:49, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- A single sentence in the lead of the Ollanta Humala, and nothing in the body, is most certainly not going to make this fly. And the Nadine Heredia article is silent on the sentencing. Schwede66 05:31, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe Having read around this, my impression is that Humala is just one of numerous politicians swept up in this scandal. See Operation Car Wash for extensive details. This context should be mentioned in the blurb as I, for one, had not heard of it before. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, if anything probably should wait for what is expected to happen to Bolsonaro, and with that, mention that (as it seems to be the case) he and several others were sentenced for their role in Operation Car Wash Masem (t) 12:11, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Update Brazil authorized the right of asylum to Nadine Heredia and is now in the country. ArionStar (talk) 00:45, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Former head of state is convicted/sentenced and his family flees. Definitely ITN material. It stemming from the fallout of the much larger Operation Car Wash does not negate its siginificance but adds to it, should be included in the blurb. I am not sure why would wait for any future conviction of Bolsonaro [also pretty SYNTH to link these unrelated sentences together] to stall this. Gotitbro (talk) 09:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support, encyclopedic content about people who are in the news. Though I agree with Andrew and Gotitbro that more context for the blurb would be helpful. If more heads of state are sentenced in related investigations, they can be posted as well when the time comes. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Charges and convictions of politicians is rare and unusual. Articles look good too. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 08:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: ArionStar (talk) 11:39, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- His place and date of birth are unreferenced. Please fix that. Schwede66 13:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66:
Done. ArionStar (talk) 13:54, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- I've gone through the article and done some tidy up. I've also placed citation needed tags, of which it now has 26. Hence, this is nowhere near ready. Schwede66 01:31, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Just noting that nobody has done work towards removing those citation needed tags. Schwede66 01:01, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- I've gone through the article and done some tidy up. I've also placed citation needed tags, of which it now has 26. Hence, this is nowhere near ready. Schwede66 01:31, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66:
(Needs reviewers) RD: Carlton Fairweather
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Needs referencing clean up but other than that looks good enough. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:19, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Why should I care? That is not to knock the subject but the article doesn't tell me. It tells me who he played for and when but anything about his personal life is threadbare. Where did he grow up, who spotted him, ddi he have wife and family etc, activities away from football, all missing from the article. It reads like a sports-stattish "Alls the World's Footballers" entry, it doesn't present a true biography of the individual. 3142 (talk) 01:54, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Aliza Magen-Halevi
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of Israel
Credits:
- Nominated by Longhornsg (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former Deputy Director of the Mossad, highest serving woman in the agency's history Longhornsg (talk) 17:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - barely long enough but sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 20:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Some expansion would be nice, because this wikibio is currently a tad too stubby for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 10:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Expanded. It's far lengthier than a WP:STUB (this article is 3,000 characters of WP:RPS vs. 1,500 of a stub), with 10+ WP:RS. There are no WP:CLEANUPTAGs. It more than meets the requirements of WP:ITNCRIT. Longhornsg (talk) 23:59, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 00:53, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Blue Origin NS-31 all-women space mission
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The all-women Blue Origin NS-31 space tourism mission, carrying crew members including Katy Perry, Gayle King, and Lauren Sánchez, launches successfully and safely returns to Earth. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Vanity Fair, BBC, Times of India, Toronto Star, Sydney Morning Herald, Le Monde
Credits:
- Nominated by Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)
- Oppose - Uh, hello? — EF5 16:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Space tourism is nothing new and the composition of the voyage, being all female and containing celebrities, doesn't change its overall importance to push this towards blurb-worthiness. Seems to me to be sensationalized celebrity gossip. Departure– (talk) 15:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I'll also state that the mission itself only lasted ~10 minutes. It wasn't particularly long, nor did it achieve much beyond letting folks visit the literal edge of earth for however long. Departure– (talk) 16:28, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Departure. Nothing very out-of-the-ordinary about this, despite some short-term media hype, and I say that as someone who watched the live footage online out of interest. But it's not the first space tourism flight and I'm assuming these sub-orbital "missions" will become more common as time goes on. It's also not the first ever all-female crew as has been hyped by the organisers, (if one can call people on board who don't pilot the ship "crew") since Valentina Tereshkova flew a solo mission to space in the 1960s. — Amakuru (talk) 16:08, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Stunning & Brave. And space tourism's just a label. I suggest we remove it from the blurb/add an alternative one (i dont know how) ShirtMonopoly (talk) 16:23, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have a policy-based reason for your support? To my knowledge "stunning & brave" are buzzwords used for puffery, not objective descriptions, and the least not when establishing an event's notability. Departure– (talk) 16:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, an 11-minute sub-orbital flight with 6 passengers. Don't know why people call them a crew, just like many such flights this is an uncrewed flight with only passengers on board, just like a driverless train doesn't have me as "crew" but as passenger. Calling these crew is rather insulting to real pilots, astronauts, and the like, who spend years training for the job instead of just paying enough money to be on board without any actual duties. In any case, media hype but nothing actually of lasting importance. Fram (talk) 16:37, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as @Amakuru said, "the first female flight into space" was Valentina Tereshkova and plus this is a routine manned mission to space by Blue Origin. Shaneapickle (talk) 16:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose there is literally nothing important about this spaceflight other than there being some celebrities on it. This also isn't even the first female in space. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 16:58, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, these happen quite often. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:02, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: rich people go to space. Tofusaurus (talk)
RD: Abdullah Ahmad Badawi
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Star
Credits:
- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former Prime Minister of Malaysia Tofusaurus (talk) 11:45, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- ya beat me to it :( Shaneapickle (talk) 12:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- but anyways * Support This is a death of a former P.M, and this meets WP:ITNRD. Quality of this article does meet the standards by having the life as the main story. Shaneapickle (talk) 12:38, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note: resolve the sections without references and the citation needed tags first. Otherwise, this will not be posted up. @Shaneapickle and @Tofusaurus. – robertsky (talk) 16:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - as per Robertsky, a lot of CNs. Nobody's suggested a blurb as yet, and unlikely consensus for one would develop, but to be honest I think the death of national leaders should be more of a shout for a blurb than a lot of the routine "celebs" that are frequently nominated here. I'd probably come down as neutral on this one as his tenure was only six years and not necessarily transformative. — Amakuru (talk) 17:01, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
oppose - for now. Not properly sourced. Ping me when done.BabbaQ (talk) 20:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC)- Support RD Not really much information yet regarding blurb. But, assuming posted as RD, it is just sufficient. Feel free if someone adding the blurb in nomination. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 20:41, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 06:50, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. OLDMANDIES. Manner and direct impact of death not notable. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 10:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- the death of a prime minister is not notable? GodzillamanRor (talk) 13:54, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- It's notable enough for an RD line. But global news, it is not This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 19:42, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- the death of a prime minister is not notable? GodzillamanRor (talk) 13:54, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - now looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 17:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- @BabbaQ The Early Career and Political Career sections still lack citations, as well as the numerous [citation needed] tags are not resolved yet. – robertsky (talk) 05:27, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD it's good to go, should be up already.Jiaminglimjm (talk) 23:35, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- I count nine citation needed tags (three of which I just added). Schwede66 00:40, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Khurshid Ahmad (scholar)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Express Tribune
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- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Ainty Painty (talk) 02:14, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:09, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- The exact date of birth is not in the source; just the year. Schwede66 10:01, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The Trump administration refuses to facilitate the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia despite a Supreme Court ruling. (Post)
Alternative blurb: President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador refuses to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the United States.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN, France24, NYT, Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Bob drobbs (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Firstly, I think the current blurb is a little misleading because the Trump administration maintains they are not "refusing", but rather that they no longer have the authority to do anything other than request his return from El Salvador, who in return have refused to do so (a claim which is dubious and criticized among the secondary sources, but we have to have NPOV). Second, in any event, I oppose on the basis of WP:NTRUMP - although the case is horrifying, if every widely reported case where the Trump administration is abusing process and illegally deporting people gets a blurb, we will become a Trump ticker. I think we would need to see something like widespread protests and broader enduring coverage to justify a blurb. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 21:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose and snow close per above. I don't think a consensus will be reached. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:22, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support The issue seems quite significant in constitutional terms. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose and suggest change of the end of blurb to "despite a ruling from the US Supreme Court", and add "the" before return. I believe we didn't post Mahmoud Khalil; this should be a similar situation. WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 22:06, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Arguably this likely becoming a constitutional crisis (along with every other court order that is being ignored like allowing the AP back into the press room, or restoring funding on various programs) is the far greater story, even more than the tariff stuff, as its respenting the collapse of a government if not checked. However, we're still at a phase where this story can be resolved in a way that follows proper justice, so its far too soon to be going on this one. Masem (t) 00:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose – Domestic news story of limited to no international significance. 5225C (talk • contributions) 01:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose until this boils over or otherwise escalates, which I'm nearly certain it will. Departure– (talk) 02:08, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose inaccurate blurb. If he showed up at a port of entry and asked to be let in, they would have to let him in to be in compliance with court order. But they have no responsibility to be pro-active about getting him to a port of entry. The entire point of sending people to El Salvador is that they are completely out of reach of the courts (and Congress). The machine is working as designed, even though you may dislike the task it is performing.Danthemankhan 02:46, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Update The topic is getting a lot of attention. One reason is the public appearance of Nayib Bukele at the White House and so I've added an altblurb about that development. Meanwhile, following the Supreme Court ruling, the legal case is back in the Maryland court where the judge has given the administration a Friday deadline to produce their plan. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- You're out of date. Last Friday was that deadline, the gov't refused, the judge has been requiring daily updates (including over the weekend) to answer her questions of Garcia's fate; they've provided the updates but they are vague and Garcia's lawyers are seeking contempt, and a hearing is planned for today. Eg: its why this story is being considered a constitutional crisis as the exec branch seems to be flatly ignoring SCOTUS and the district court order. The stuff with Bukele yesterday adds more concern to being in a constitutional crisis due to comments about deporting violent citizens to El Salvador now. Masem (t) 12:04, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - Just how Wikipedia isn't pro-Trump, we also aren't (or shouldn't be) anti-Trump. Regardless, not of significance, as Trump has a history of disobeying orders. — EF5 13:05, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, not a Trump News tracker. Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - this seems pretty local and minor. This is Wikipedia not Ameripedia. Nfitz (talk) 16:07, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- It looking like this is going to end with consensus for "oppose" and I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind.
- But I am sincerely puzzled by the standards applied here. The NCAA Division I women's championship is of global importance, but a constitutional crisis in the USA is not? Bob drobbs (talk) 17:48, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - Stating that it affects only America is very clearly against WP:ITNCDONT, however I do agree that this seems to be not significant enough for ITN. Xtnova (talk) 16:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
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